Swearing
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It’s a simple fact of life that people swear. If you’re writing fiction about real people, or at least real people of certain fairly common temperaments under some circumstances, you ought to be prepared to write the occasional swear word. Of course, we’re not all writing fiction, and there’ll be many of us writing fiction who stick to “cleaner” topics and characters. Still, I thought swearing might be an interesting topic to bring up.
There are plenty among us who’ll see swearing as a degradation of the language, and there’s a very frequently-used argument that if you must resort to using swear words, your vocabulary must not be very good to begin with. I don’t think it’s a sound argument, but then, I do love to swear, so maybe I’m biased. Comedian and author Stephen Fry has taken up the topic as well and agrees with me, for what it’s worth, noting that many of our writers with the most prodigious vocabularies are also fond of swearing. You can watch a short video here if you’re interested.
So, what do you think? Is swearing an occasional evil necessary for the sake of realsim or is it perhaps even an art in its own right? Or is it something to be avoided at all costs? Let’s keep Erica’s tips about writing about controversy in mind and keep the comments clean no matter the opinions we’re expressing. There is, as they say, a good time and place for everything, and this blog is by and large a family show.
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Good question! As writers, we all have to consider every word we use. You might want to check out this post on my blog, Writing Between the Lines. It’s called, The ‘S’ Word.” http://naomibaltuck.wordpress.com/2012/01/11/67/
Thanks for sharing. I read your post and pretty much agree with you. There are certain conventionally frowned-upon swear words that I’d much rather hear my kids say than words like “stupid” and “hate.” To me, meaning is more important than the syllables used to express the meaning, and words like “hate” and “stupid” are awful things to want to say to somebody. The conventional swear words are tame by comparison unless used to similar purpose.
Well said!
I agree with both you and with Stephen Fry (although I’m not a chronic swearer). It’s about context, and sometimes it’s a necessary evil. Other times it’s art. It’s certainly an element of humor and a creative way of making a point. Any talk of censoring profanity is so NOT what blogging is supposed to be about.
Sometimes you just have to get people’s attention. What are swear words if not that. Why else would they be banned in places by people who don’t want to pay attention to you.
Swearing is a part of normal life – pick up the wrong end of a hot soldering iron and you will definitely have an excuse to swear
When writing a story I believe you should adjust according to your intended audience – no point having swear words in a book aimed at children or an articvle aimed at a religious community – and then see if what you had in mind fits the scene you’re building. I’d expect a group of mechanics in a garage to be somewhat more rounded in their language than a group of college professors and any story should take this into account. Context and audience are everything here.
swear is one word we use for tell our self’s ”i will do” is not good to use (relagion) sometime we don’t have other choice..(i use not with out reason) thank you
There’s a time and a place for swearing. I watched Stephen Fry’s Planet World (which by the way, is really interesting) and loved the experiment with pain and swearing. However, there’s got to to a point to it. I’ve used swear words in my blog – in actual fact, I’ve written a whole blog post on it and kept the words in. It would have been silly to **** them out! However, generally, I’ve had to make a decision as to write the whole word or use the ****s.
Let me preface this by saying that I am no prude or angel, and I agree; there are times when only certain words will do to describe the intensity of a situation, or the extreme nature of a person or event! In that sense, these words (“swear words”, curse words”), have specific meaning and purposes. In today’s culture I believe this has been somewhat lost. I think it almost irritates me more than offends me when watching a movie, television show, a comedian speak, or even listening to someone talk; for every other word to be “f…ing this, f…ing tht, she’s an f…ing bi..ch, I would make the argument that writer are perhaps becoming “lazy” or less creative in not being able to come up with other language, and perhaps more appropriate descriptions. When everything is “f….ing”, and everyone is a “f..ing b.ch” these words lose their impact. Perhaps a person is annoying, abrasive, arrogant (and that’s only the As!). To use “f…ing b…c to describe someone with any offensive characteristics, 1. does not illuminate the listener at all to what the speakers particular issues are, and 2. is likely an overstatement. F..ing b..ch should be reserved for those who have truly earned the title! This goes for all swearing. It loses its impact when made a part of regular, usual speech.
For a moment, I read ‘reserved’ as ‘reversed’, and reversed the two words, f@%$ing b#@%!. Those two words as stated are stale. Reverse them, and they hold a similar meaning with a fresher perspective.
Funny that.
Hey, I thought this was a classier forum where people discussed ideas and presented opinions, not make poorly veiled insults toward writers they disagree with (and this goes for someone else!). I don’t see any discussion of the issue in your post. I hear the term f.. b… often enough that I could hardly say it is stale. And as far as the word reversal, a good f……. probably existed since people began to f…., so, not really a fresh perspective on a very old (does that translate to “stale”) idea?
And, you look rather young, but let me point out something else. I think it was obvious to most the the point of paragraph was not the term f… b…,
but that word was used as a commonly encountered example that most readers would be familiar with). Perhaps you don’t mean it, but from your comment, it appears you are missing the entire point of the discussion.
I completely agree, Ellen. I do believe that swear words have lost their meaning because of how often and loosely they are used. I also agree that using them in writing, unless otherwise necessary, reads odd and as if the writer could not come up with a more creative dialogue.
Great post Daryl!
Excuse my typos! One caveat. For writers portraying a character who does speak like that, the use of that language has an obvious purpose. But again, it supports my same view – it has a specific purpose and is being intentionally used to illustrate a character.
I largely agree with ellenheyer. While I don’t think that swearing necessarily indicates a lack of vocabulary in and of itself, I do think that overabundance of swearing (for emphasis or otherwise) starts to degrade the emphatic effect. This isn’t that different from the overuse of other words: very, such, awesome, love, etc. Starts to sound a little stale.
Swearing isn’t always necessary, but when you are writing that moment when your character has to do it, it will hit you right in the face. You have no choice, but to give in.
There is a time and a place for everything. If it fits the character, then I think the use of a swear word is appropriate. Right now I am trying to write a short story about an experience I went through and realizing that I can’t capture the true heart of the story without using a swear word here and there because I swear.
I don’t feel swearing is not needed at any time. I avoid listening to it if I can. Reading I can skip over it. I still prefer nice clean reading.
And double negatives too?
I don’t make it a personal habit of swearing in real life, but writing fictional stories is another thing. There are times when you are writing a story and the setting in the story might call for swearing. I mean, let’s say you have your character surrounded by a gang of really mean and tough guys. Are those guys going to be saying things like shoot, heck, or dang it?
Good point, but in writing one does (if one is any good) have an influence on readers. Thus, it is OK for the garbage to swear in one’s books or stories, but if all the good guys do as well or instead, it is spreading the message that this is a cool way to behave.
That’s true. In my own writing I simply state in my prose that the surly character cursed or sweared. I figure there is no reason to get into specific swear words. I’ve never had to resort to using it in dialogue; I prefer snarky attitudes to swearing in dialogue exchanges.
As a Chinese teacher, I know one of the first things students want to learn is ‘how to swear’.
They also like to pick up some oriental swear words, and ask me to verify them!
My fairly unoriginal condemnation of all this %^$#$!! swearing appears with other blue things in this post:
http://colonialist.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/blues-blue-yonder-and-turning-the-air-blue/
I have found that people, in general, usually outgrow the need to feel big by using words that make them feel more powerful. So, yes, if writing about a teen who has yet to figure out who he is, or an adult who is a slow learner because of past brokenness or whatever, using a few judiciously placed swear words, to give that impression, might be appropriate. For instance, when depicting Jeremy Duncan, a few @#$!$&#%) might better show his immaturity. It is a pity, though, if the characters always must be that immature solely because the author is.
I personally like to swear, and I do not mind it in writing either, but if it becomes repeaditive it gets annoying… Then again, I guess that over use of any set of words gets boring
Swearing is ok if within context and limited
Definitely an art! And yes, I am biased.
Why do people love A Song Of Ice and Fire’s King Robert? Because despite being a king, he swears like there’s no tomorrow. It’s a funny irony, being a king Robert is, that GRRM has achieved.
Repetitive and unnecessary swearing gets annoying. Rappers overuse it…even abuse it. Fiction writers, of course, need to incorporate natural language in their writing. That’s fine, as long as it fits the story and the character. But the teens that I work with in rehab think swearing is critical to their conversation. I tell them it just gets boring because I’ve heard those words so many times!
Great topic! Swearing? Not sure it applies to all topics but what a starting point for discussion! “I swear by the light up above etc., etc.” On a religious note, I have been known to use every swear word in the book and my wife of 42 years objects- wonder why? Perhaps I am not the most religious commenter of your topic. Nonetheless, I’m here to swear to its place in the discussion. I have been exposed to war. Vietnam was not a place to wonder between taking or allowing life to continue or ending it now. Your workmate by day soon became your enemy in the night as his overnight wounds appeared when he tried to return to work! I swear! How can the guy hoping to earn wages the day following his overnight insurgency possibly hope to placate his employers? That was the war we fought from 1956 to 1975ish.
Is that environment so different from today?
A religious sect controls most of what we Americans know as the middle-east yet how well do we really know them / our enemy? Yes, the Muslim religion has more zealots then the “Black Panthers, ““Arian Brotherhood” or the “Mexican Mafia.” Would you like to argue that issue?
I have faith born of those who tire of seeing their children die! I have faith emanating from those who choose a world without war. That / My faith will propel me to seek a world where disagreements end in equal resolution. Notice I did not say “peaceful resolution.” Equality without pain and suffering does not endure but is brought back to be fought by future generations. We must make a decision today what we want for our future. I swear my optimism for tomorrow’s generation- Do you?
Years ago, or in a different generation, it was seen as disrespectful for men to swear in front of women. That certainly is the case nowadays. Most of us swear, but some people don’t realise how much they do!
I think there’s a time and a place for both. I am fond of swearing myself, but the real danger is using it inappropriately, or using it as a malevolent tool against others.
Some characters may cross these boundaries. However, as an author, I think it’s important to be clear that it isn’t something to do lightly, and to be wary of your audience. If it’s inappropriate to show it, don’t. But if you’d be robbing your audience by censoring yourself, you need to show it.
Strange, I was just looking at the topic of swearing from a Pastors point of view. I wrote this for my Church quite a long time ago, but you might find it relevant to the discussion, if somewhat biased against swearing. http://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/matthew-5-8211-part-17-8211-what-is-so-wrong-with-swearing-everyone-does-it-ross-cochrane-sermon-on-blasphemy-142833.asp
It is my experience that those who swear the most are often the least able to reason through a logical argument. There is something about swearing that shuts down the reasoning center of our mind.
I agree! Swearing depends on context and meaning, but often it just results in a dead end to the conversation.
I’ve never found it a need~ it usually incites contention.
That’s so funny. I wrote about this in my blog and my point is that “cursing kills creativity”. But then again some people would believe it could be an art form in itself like pretty much anything else could be. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! I’ve read all the links and the comments. I didn’t realise people still had such archaic attitudes. Being an uneducated piece of garbage/a mechanic or whatever stereotype you choose to use, I swear. In fact, when I came home from university, my parents criticised my language and blamed it on my equally uneducated grad friends.
Yes it can be overused. It can also be used to great impact. The Fry vid was superb, but maybe that appeals to a Brit sense of humour, or maybe we swear differently.
I do resent the idea that swearing is reserved for ‘lower classes’ ‘garbage’ tradespeople’ and other such detritus. Come off it. Of course college professors swear. Of course, people with degrees, (one or more) swear. But that is such a classist conception that only ‘rough’ people swear. And that judgemental misconception is far worse than swearing.
There are some swear words I dislike, and that is because of their connotation as others have said above. I will not use the ones that denigrate women.
Back to blogging – one of the reasons I have more than one blog is so that I can swear on the ‘rant’ blog. Ironically, I was so annoyed on my main blog that I used swearing in the headline. Whereupon some of my readers commented that was a sure way to get their attention.
Bottom line
1) Sticks and stones etc, there are far worse issues to worry about in life
2) Consider the meaning of the words, if they are insulting to someone, don’t use them – calling someone stupid, lame, a moron, a spastic, an idiot, a bitch, is far worse than saying **** [insert four letter word of choice]
Oh and different cultures think differently too.
Here is my post about it – for sensitive souls there are no bad words used. Just explanations.
http://roughseasinthemed.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/peas-and-mi-chichi-habla-espanol-2/
Hats off, for both of your comments here. Very well said.
Thank you. Being a lower end of the social scale piece of garbage who swears, I did think carefully about it. As much as I could.
Post Script. How many people who dislike swearing are NOT religious? Because that seems to be a big part of the issue. And calling it cursing too? That is too quaint. Seriously.
Of course if it is a story , it totally depends on the character. and yes it does reflect some realism . I have never used on so far in my writings ..
Funny – never used to swear but now I do it all the time (not in places where it would offend, of course).
I believe language is the least of our problems, but is an indicator of the lack of respectful discourse…I think we should change out intentions before we worry about changing our language. It will naturally follow…
There’s a SpongeBob SquarePants episode about “Sentence Enhancers” that’s absolutely hilarious. I’m glad you wrote this post, as I’ve been trying to decide if using sentence enhancers is appropriate for my blog. I agree with many here that swearing depends on the context, and posts riddled with f*** this and f*** that are annoying. I don’t want to read that. However, I do enjoy reading personal posts by authors brave enough to swear here and there. It makes it seem more honest and real to me.
I don’t think there is anything wrong with these swear words, Flamingnora, or GordenBennett
Profanity? The feeble attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully.
Awesome!
I like your “definition” of profanity (it it’s yours)! Maybe not always, but often true!
A few weeks ago, I started a series on this very topic. Here’s the first entry:
http://www.webulls.com/2012/04/28/holy-cussing-truth-or-a-darn-lie-a-blog-series-by-dr-brad-bull/
Swearing is not necessary at all unless its in front of the judge .
Swear words are just that. Words. They’re only taboo because we’ve decided they are. So honestly, I don’t give a shit. No that I litterally give shits, because nobody wants human fecal matter. Narsty.
Good post. Sincerely, a fellow sailor mouth.
My tuppence:
1. Personally, I’m all for replacing the F-word with ‘frack’ (as they did in the Battlestar Galactica remake) — maybe that will help to spread the meme that fracking is not a good idea…
2. Roughseasinthemed suggested I post the clip from Monty Python’s Meaning of Life here (along with cussing caveat, but I don’t give a darn about that) so here ’tis:
To: roughsea….
Alhough you seem to have a fan, I hope its one. I think this is the type of forum where because discuss and debate ideas; not insult the writers. And how ironic that you appear to be so offended one such as yourself who likes to swear be considered “low class”, yet those who do not share your opinion about swearing are “archaic”. And, fyi; since not all readers hail from your corner of the universe, there are regions where the term “cursing” is commonly used. So, to determine someone is “quaint” by their language usage in a few sentences, or in my case, to use both terms to be inclusive; as literally; as one writer noted “to swear” technically does not mean to use “bad” words, but to “make a oath, etc.; whereas, “to curse” literally does mean to say the words we are all discussing here. So those you call “quaint” are just the technically “correct” definition of the word, one the is clear to all. And people make typos all the time on these things, so to insult someone’s grammar is not necessary. We are doing this to debate issues…I think.
You do a lot of judging for one who complains about judgement!
I do like and agree with your very good point about using a “swear” (I’ll use your preferred terminology) word, vs calling someone a name. I think that is really an important point…in my mind also, There is a huge difference between (someone like me), who might blurt out “oh f…”, occasionally, than telling SOMEONE they ARE anything derogatory, whether it be a “swear” word or not, such as the ones that you listed. I know my parents would also disagree!, but I think to intentionally hurt another human being is a far greater “evil” than blurting out an occasional expletive (there, I managed to use neither cursing or swearing!).
@ ellenheyer
Thanks for the considered response to my comment. I think one of the interesting points about this blog and other forums, is the interesting linguistic differences between cultures that speak the same (more or less) language.
The title of the post was swearing, and that was what the author used. To me cursing means, for example to put a spell upon someone, or to invoke the devil or some other supernatural power. Regardless, both cursing and swearing have two meanings, which are equally legitimate. Check the dictionary. Swearing is just as accurate as cursing.
Cursing, is just no longer used in my corner of the world, as you state. But it was used a few centuries ago by my grandparents, for example, which is why it struck me as being quaint/old-fashioned, whatever description suits.
My judgemental comments were about the stereotypical comments regarding the ‘type’ of person who swears. Only bad people, or tradespeople, or less-educated people. That is totally classist, and I will stand by that view. I suspect you may have missed my irony. It’s over-used in my corner of the universe. Where people put me in the social rankings is of no interest to me at all. But I will defend others who I consider to be unfairly discriminated against and who are being grouped together by extremely uninformed opinion.
Comments that suggest only illiterate and unintelligent people swear because they can’t string two words together or hold a logical argument are far more insulting than anything I wrote. And there are plenty of those comments in this debate.
Expletive is a good word! Nice one there. And thank you for the comment about my second point. Language has such an influence on society and calling people abusive names, and at the same time deriding certain social groups continues to perpetuate the same old stereotypes and reinforce negative attitudes and beliefs.
I better clear off and write my own blog post on this one!
And thank you for your thoughtful and insightful reply! I think our little “online” dialogue itself makes some good points! While my initial response was to focus on what I thought was being “judgmental” as you explained more your reasons for certain statements, and as I heard you “talk” more I lost any of that feeling about you, and really; I think we basically agree most of the basic points discussed. Oh, know, I did not miss what was actually probably your main point! – the judgment that is often made about the “type” of people who swear! I think my message was getting so long, I just stuck to a couple of points. But I full agree with that comment, and swearing (I’m sticking with that here) like most things in life, crosses all socio-economic levels. My mother has often told me a “have a mouth like a sailor, or factory worker” I’m not sure where she gets the sailors from, but she uses that one! So I get, and agree with you loud and clear. Its a good point for us to remember as writers, also; that we subconsciously aren’t perpetuating that stereotype. For example, lets say I have a character Joe. Joe works in a factory and after work usually goes to the local bar to “have a few” with his buddies. He didn’t go to college, isn’t much of a reader and doesn’t frequent art museums. It might just seem natural to have Joe swearing liberally at work, at home, etc. And have a character named Marcy. She is a well, educated, lady-like, yet high-level prosecutor. When she goes out, she drinks Chablis and goes to the symphony and art museums. Subconsciously we might have her saying “oh what an idiotic man attempting to relieve his adolescence” when her husband leaves her for his 20 years old secretary instead of “telling it like it really is”. These are simplistic examples, but you get the point. Joe could very well be a man with religious beliefs that prohibit swearing, and Marcy could be a hot head with several contempt charges for telling the judge just where he could go. So writing can be a way to challenge some of these stereotypes also.
Oh, and I don’t feel that need to check the dictionary, I trust your command of the English language.
I’m also with you on refusing to use the words that are derogatory to women (in my own language, and in how I will tolerate being spoken to)….because that is getting into the category of attempting to demean, insult, etc.
One thing I can say for sure, there aren’t a lot of places you can go and people you will find who will spend this much time analyzing the pros, cons, whys, whens, etc. about swearing! But I think it is fabulous, because more than anyone, those of us who write, or try to write, or want to write should take time to examine the language we use, and if it is intentional, or just words we habitually say. So it is nice to have an intelligent debate with someone about what some may consider trivial, but what some of us realize
is very significant… the power of words.
I will check out your blog!
I’m writing about fictional gang members, would be rather awkward if there wasn’t any swearing going on haha! I can’t see them going like “Oh no, you’re wrong” when they’re angry. lol.
Good points. When I was younger and extremely self-righteous, every instance of swearing was offensive to me. Now that I have a few more years to my credit, I have changed my opinion slightly. I do not think occasional use of swearing or coarse language are inappropriate, however, using the “f” word like a comma constantly and for no apparent reason shows, among other things, a lack of creativity, not to mention a lack of class. I think writers should have a higher standard of word use. Using ANY word excessively is something we are all taught to avoid in grade school, after all. Writers should be able to draw on the treasure trove we carry with us that comes with a love of words and using words specific to our purpose. If the words called for are sometimes crude, they will have more weight if used sparingly.
To freeatlastww
My feelings also. I just didn’t no how to put it. Thank you so much!!!
Thanks for sharing!!!http://youtu.be/KHO46JuNT60
If you’re interested, I have a new blog essay titled “A Pastoral F-bomb?” raising the issue as to whether profanity might sometimes be helpful to the person hearing it.
http://www.webulls.com/2012/05/19/a-pastoral-f-bomb-part-3-in-darn-profanity-series/